Searchers scoured a narrow canyon in Oregon's snowy Coast Range on Tuesday for a man missing for more than a week in the rugged area while his wife and two young children, rescued just the day before, recovered in a hospital.
I wonder if the four-year old hadn't been weaned yet anyway, or if that was the solution to keeping her alive. Probably the latter. Can you imagine how wonderful the mother must have felt to be able to feed both her babies in that situation?
I hope they weren't too cold, especially that little baby.
Maybe there is a crazy C-NET junkie who rescued him, hobbled him and is cruelly making him respond to blog comments about his whereabouts to entertain her.
You know, I am sympathetic but there a couple of rules to getting lost.
1. You don’t leave the spot where you realize you’re lost. Make a shelter and a signal fire and stay there.
2. You don’t split up. You’re supposed to stay together.
No one ever knows what they’d do in that position but he messed up leaving his family behind. He should have burned the tires before he ran out of gas and would have better served his family getting food and wood to burn than looking for help.
For a guy that was so clever about his dilemma at first, he boned the important basics and it cost his life. Luckily it didn’t cost his kids too. They could have all made it out though. Now his kids don’t have a Dad and that is indeed, sad. Hopefully they have a good trust fund.
I’m not doling blame, just wishing it had turned out different. He should have been smarter than that.
He was probably thinking they would ALL surely die unless he at least tried to go for help. Of he was my husband I would have been asking, "what the hell are you still doing in this car?! Get your ass out there and take for of this situation you got us in to!"
Neisha, bingo on Hot Springs! To tell the truth I think it’s a realty company but wouldn't swear. I'll bet you it's at least near a Best Western! I took that this spring and the rebel flag continues to fly.
If I were in your husband’s shoes (facing being tossed out in the wilderness to find help), I would first quote the first two rules of getting lost. Then I would convince you that you were going to be eaten by bears if I didn’t stay. And if the bears did come, toss the children. Oldest one first.
Secure my importance in the group in case we had to turn to cannibalism later.
I have a good Oregon topo atlas that shows me that this is a tiny road that I wouldn't drive on in the winter. But this guy wasn't from Oregon; he may have assumed that Google was correct when it told him which road to take. If I was driving from Portland down to the Bay Area, I could do the same thing and end up in a similar snowdrift somewhere in Northern California, in a place not covered by my maps.
We all say "you should stay with the car," but c'mon -- after SEVEN DAYS of no one finding you, wouldn't you feel like it was better to take action than wait to starve to death?
The lessons learned here, that we all should remember (WITHOUT casting any blame on James Kim):
1) Before going on ANY mountainous road in an area you're not familiar with, ask a local about it.
2) If you do get into hairy winter weather on the main road -- and the "main road" isn't very big -- for God's sake don't turn off onto a smaller road. Surely if they'd stayed up on Bear Camp road, they'd have been found right away.
3) If you're going to be travelling anywhere where you might be more than five miles from civilization, carry extra stuff (food, blankets, etc.) in the car.
I know this incident will stick in my mind the next time I drive to the Coast or up onto Mt. Hood. Hopefully this will make us all act a little smarter in the future.
Drew maybe you and Leo can perform a James Kim tribute at Violet’s birthday party. You might even take up a collection. This just came to me when I was shivering after a miserable lukewarm shower.
I agreed with Drew. In the event you are over run with bears, toss the children oldest ones first. But keeping in mind that the need to turn to cannibalism may potentially occur, would you not want to toss the younger ones to the bears, as the older ones do have quite a bit more meat...
Damn that's really bad.... It's probably good he is not a middle aged white man, he could have possibly snapped, ended up walking around in circles, and would have come upon a car stuck in the snow, with a woman and her small children inside. We would have set the tires on fire to get warm then would have killed them all eaten the remains and would be walking around in the woods yielding hunting weapons made of human femurs.
Ahhh, this is all too good. I love it when I go to sleep and wake up and there’s blog activity! I sit at my desk at work during the day and wonder about the blog. I come home at lunch and check the blog. My name is Drew, I’m a blogoholic.
Everyone says: “Hi Drew”!
OK, here we go.
Anonymous, I love you too!
John, any word on the condition of Kim’s body? Everything will surely be preserved. I wonder how long he was down before they found him? Wasn’t he face down in a creek bed? They say you just go to sleep. I’ll bet he just fell to his knees, fell on his face and that was it. Sleepy time.
Tavia, all donations are forwarded to my Swiss Bank Account, shhhhh. This will help buy that hand beaten baby seal coat I promised you. Also help fund our cryogenic project so we can freeze ourselves only to be unfrozen when we discover who was behind the WTC attacks.
Anonymous, Great set list. Why limit to just one? I think Leo and I should play all of them. Actually, I was on the Internet and it seems one of the scraps of paper Kim used to direct rescuers contained some last words. It is rumored that he wrote a song to be played in the event of his death. I’ll see if I can get my hands on it. Thank you Google. Leo, you in?
Anonymous, I'll bet he did wish for the warm and inviting sulphury fires of hell. I'll bet JFK Jr. met him at the door and had a nice juicy pineapple to shove up his ass for leaving his kids behind with no daddy.
Ted, I knew we'd be on the same side on this. Because of our mutual Nam experiences watching our buddies die face down in the muck to protect our precious freedoms of.... oh and dude, “middle aged white man” is not the proper nomenclature. Stupid honkey, crazy white bread or mofo cracker is much more appropriate.
Neisha, you rock!
Ted, please forward the toe and any other extra body parts you may have lying around to: http://jamesandkati.com/
Randy Jones, a local developer and the chief helicopter pilot for the nearby Jackson County search-and-rescue unit, said Kim might have been chased by a bear. He says he saw the tracks of a large black bear crossing the road Kim took.
Searchers later found a pair of pants Kim left halfway down the ravine. Trackers, piecing together his path below the snow line and through the muddy underbrush, say he walked for 2 miles along the creek before stopping to scatter more wet clothing, including shirts, a cap, a sock and a girl's skirt.
Hastings said it was unclear whether Kim was trying to leave a trail for searchers or felt overheated because of the effects of hypothermia.
Kim walked another 2½ miles before he could go on no longer. He was found with a backpack still on his back.
Kim likely never knew his journey brought him in a loop nearly back to his family. He surely didn't know he was not far from the Black Bar Lodge.
Though the 18-room lodge lacked electricity and a phone, owner John James said Kim would have found a pile of wood, a large fireplace, stockpiles of canned and dried foods and dozens of blankets.
"There's probably enough provisions that he could've lasted a month," James said. "He was maybe as close as half a mile from my lodge."
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That's a very sad story. Maybe, depending on where the family is. Mysterious.
Searchers scoured a narrow canyon in Oregon's snowy Coast Range on Tuesday for a man missing for more than a week in the rugged area while his wife and two young children, rescued just the day before, recovered in a hospital.
So the wife and kids are OK...
I guess he set off on foot at 7:45 in the morning, and said he would turn around at 1 in the afternoon if he didn't find the road.
Do you think that means he found the road? Or a dark bar perhaps?
Face it, he didn't make it. So sad.
The mother nursed the to children(7 months and 4 years old) for the nine days in the car.
Hey, don't be so glum chum. Turn those frowns upside down. They found his pants. A sign of the direction he was going.
Or delirium.
Pryn, sounds to me like he'd have been much happier then in the car. Of course then, between the four, would have to ration.
I wonder if the four-year old hadn't been weaned yet anyway, or if that was the solution to keeping her alive. Probably the latter. Can you imagine how wonderful the mother must have felt to be able to feed both her babies in that situation?
I hope they weren't too cold, especially that little baby.
One of the kids may lose a toe, other than that; they were in pretty good shape.
I can get him a toe.
Ted,
With nail polish? By 2:00 pm?
I've got one now... I'll have to paint it, but it should be dry by 2:00 any specific color???
Did anyone read "Misery"? Or see the movie?
Maybe there is a crazy C-NET junkie who rescued him, hobbled him and is cruelly making him respond to blog comments about his whereabouts to entertain her.
She's his biggest fan.
Drew
So by that you mean that he is married...
Nope, found dead. Sorry guys.
really? found dead? that's terrible. so, so, so, so sad
Yes, that's tragic.
By the way, I did see Misery, what a movie.
Has anyone seen The Notebook? Isn't that the greatest movie?
You know, I am sympathetic but there a couple of rules to getting lost.
1. You don’t leave the spot where you realize you’re lost. Make a shelter and a signal fire and stay there.
2. You don’t split up. You’re supposed to stay together.
No one ever knows what they’d do in that position but he messed up leaving his family behind. He should have burned the tires before he ran out of gas and would have better served his family getting food and wood to burn than looking for help.
For a guy that was so clever about his dilemma at first, he boned the important basics and it cost his life. Luckily it didn’t cost his kids too. They could have all made it out though. Now his kids don’t have a Dad and that is indeed, sad. Hopefully they have a good trust fund.
I’m not doling blame, just wishing it had turned out different. He should have been smarter than that.
He was probably thinking they would ALL surely die unless he at least tried to go for help. Of he was my husband I would have been asking, "what the hell are you still doing in this car?! Get your ass out there and take for of this situation you got us in to!"
Oh, and about the landmark...is that the Best Western in Hot Springs, Arkansas?
I didn't know that James Kim was the Editor of C/net.com.
Neisha, bingo on Hot Springs! To tell the truth I think it’s a realty company but wouldn't swear. I'll bet you it's at least near a Best Western! I took that this spring and the rebel flag continues to fly.
If I were in your husband’s shoes (facing being tossed out in the wilderness to find help), I would first quote the first two rules of getting lost. Then I would convince you that you were going to be eaten by bears if I didn’t stay. And if the bears did come, toss the children. Oldest one first.
Secure my importance in the group in case we had to turn to cannibalism later.
Where to find out about donations and such:
http://jamesandkati.com/
That could have been me.
I have a good Oregon topo atlas that shows me that this is a tiny road that I wouldn't drive on in the winter. But this guy wasn't from Oregon; he may have assumed that Google was correct when it told him which road to take. If I was driving from Portland down to the Bay Area, I could do the same thing and end up in a similar snowdrift somewhere in Northern California, in a place not covered by my maps.
We all say "you should stay with the car," but c'mon -- after SEVEN DAYS of no one finding you, wouldn't you feel like it was better to take action than wait to starve to death?
The lessons learned here, that we all should remember (WITHOUT casting any blame on James Kim):
1) Before going on ANY mountainous road in an area you're not familiar with, ask a local about it.
2) If you do get into hairy winter weather on the main road -- and the "main road" isn't very big -- for God's sake don't turn off onto a smaller road. Surely if they'd stayed up on Bear Camp road, they'd have been found right away.
3) If you're going to be travelling anywhere where you might be more than five miles from civilization, carry extra stuff (food, blankets, etc.) in the car.
I know this incident will stick in my mind the next time I drive to the Coast or up onto Mt. Hood. Hopefully this will make us all act a little smarter in the future.
One toe with green polish, Ted.
At once!!!!!
I love Drew.
Now about that movie The Notebook... Just kidding.
Drew,
Donations?
Now your blogging is getting way out of hand.
Can't they just keep him frozen? Like Walt Disney?
Drew maybe you and Leo can perform a James Kim tribute at Violet’s birthday party. You might even take up a collection. This just came to me when I was shivering after a miserable lukewarm shower.
Just a few suggestions for the set list:
Foreigner - Cold as Ice
Bob Dylan - Shelter from the Storm
Tom Petty - Out in the Cold
You know it,
“I'm out in the cold, body and soul
There's nowhere to go
I'm out in the cold”
Yeah how about this song...
Jet-- Cold hearted bitch
For the wife that would kick him out of the car in sub zero temperatures, uphill both ways, in a wilderness full of lions tigers and bears ... oh my
I agreed with Drew. In the event you are over run with bears, toss the children oldest ones first. But keeping in mind that the need to turn to cannibalism may potentially occur, would you not want to toss the younger ones to the bears, as the older ones do have quite a bit more meat...
Do you think James' last wish was to go hell? You know, so he can feel the heat of the flames?
Damn that's really bad....
It's probably good he is not a middle aged white man, he could have possibly snapped, ended up walking around in circles, and would have come upon a car stuck in the snow, with a woman and her small children inside. We would have set the tires on fire to get warm then would have killed them all eaten the remains and would be walking around in the woods yielding hunting weapons made of human femurs.
oh yeah... your toe is ready.
Ahhh, this is all too good. I love it when I go to sleep and wake up and there’s blog activity! I sit at my desk at work during the day and wonder about the blog. I come home at lunch and check the blog. My name is Drew, I’m a blogoholic.
Everyone says: “Hi Drew”!
OK, here we go.
Anonymous, I love you too!
John, any word on the condition of Kim’s body? Everything will surely be preserved. I wonder how long he was down before they found him? Wasn’t he face down in a creek bed? They say you just go to sleep. I’ll bet he just fell to his knees, fell on his face and that was it. Sleepy time.
Tavia, all donations are forwarded to my Swiss Bank Account, shhhhh. This will help buy that hand beaten baby seal coat I promised you. Also help fund our cryogenic project so we can freeze ourselves only to be unfrozen when we discover who was behind the WTC attacks.
Anonymous, Great set list. Why limit to just one? I think Leo and I should play all of them. Actually, I was on the Internet and it seems one of the scraps of paper Kim used to direct rescuers contained some last words. It is rumored that he wrote a song to be played in the event of his death. I’ll see if I can get my hands on it. Thank you Google. Leo, you in?
Anonymous, I'll bet he did wish for the warm and inviting sulphury fires of hell. I'll bet JFK Jr. met him at the door and had a nice juicy pineapple to shove up his ass for leaving his kids behind with no daddy.
Ted, I knew we'd be on the same side on this. Because of our mutual Nam experiences watching our buddies die face down in the muck to protect our precious freedoms of.... oh and dude, “middle aged white man” is not the proper nomenclature. Stupid honkey, crazy white bread or mofo cracker is much more appropriate.
Neisha, you rock!
Ted, please forward the toe and any other extra body parts you may have lying around to: http://jamesandkati.com/
Ted,
This cracks me up:
"It's probably good he is not a middle aged white man, he could have possibly snapped...."
I even repeated it today. I claimed it as my own material, of course.
Cool story
Randy Jones, a local developer and the chief helicopter pilot for the nearby Jackson County search-and-rescue unit, said Kim might have been chased by a bear. He says he saw the tracks of a large black bear crossing the road Kim took.
Searchers later found a pair of pants Kim left halfway down the ravine. Trackers, piecing together his path below the snow line and through the muddy underbrush, say he walked for 2 miles along the creek before stopping to scatter more wet clothing, including shirts, a cap, a sock and a girl's skirt.
Hastings said it was unclear whether Kim was trying to leave a trail for searchers or felt overheated because of the effects of hypothermia.
Kim walked another 2½ miles before he could go on no longer. He was found with a backpack still on his back.
Kim likely never knew his journey brought him in a loop nearly back to his family. He surely didn't know he was not far from the Black Bar Lodge.
Though the 18-room lodge lacked electricity and a phone, owner John James said Kim would have found a pile of wood, a large fireplace, stockpiles of canned and dried foods and dozens of blankets.
"There's probably enough provisions that he could've lasted a month," James said. "He was maybe as close as half a mile from my lodge."
"It's a tragedy," Undersheriff Anderson said
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-12-07-kim_x.htm
i wonder how long a 7-month old baby can go without food.
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